I figured those of you who didn't get their book picked last time would vote the same again!
I understand WHY you didn't pick Relativity - there really needs to be more novels with Vala in them! But there can't be anything wrong with some Jack!angst and Jack/Daniel friendship in my opinion! XD
Oh yay! I'm so glad you enjoyed Roswell as much as I did. I LOVED having all the team in the story.
I voted for Relativity, but that's because I'm a massive fan of dark!Jack, hee! But if he's not your cuppa try a classic. (I have never seen/heard of 'Tudors') *glares at Moby Dick sitting unread upon her own shelf*
Once I made the time to read it, I really got into it and very much enjoyed it! There seriously needs to be COMPLETE TEAM SG-1 novels more often b/c this one really was LOVE!
And isn't Daniel the one with Jack throughout the whole story? (From what I got when I first skimmed the book) That's ALWAYS a good thing! And I'll take Jack in any form - as long a I get some fresh SG-1 stories, I'll take the characters any way (as long a their not OOC!).
When I said 'Tudors', I was referring to the Tudors, as in the Historic Family - King Henry VIII, Mary Tudor, Elizabeth I - that lot. Their history is a passion of mine, and when I found a novel called The Virgin Queen's Daughter (based on the idea that WHAT IF Elizabeth I had an heir), I couldn't pass it up. So that choice was my 'historical fiction based on some of my favorite history' option!
Yeah, that's what concerns me about getting into a Classic - different writing style and all, idk if I'm in the mood for that right now. We'll see how the poll goes!
Well you're in luck - there are plans for half a dozen more SG novels to be released, and they're sure to contain some more Cam and Vala goodness! :D
I can't quite remember what Daniel's part is in Relativity - I know all of the team are involved. The Jack thing, well I don't want to give too much away, but lets just say that a part of it is about a big 'what if' that is a huge part of Jack's character, so it's not OOC or exactly in character, but totally plausible. (kinda like Daniel flipping out in Unending hehe)
Thanks for explaining the Tudors thing. I figure it was some show since I've seen a few people talking about it.
Huzzah for the comment about Daniel in Unending - sometimes I feel like I'm the only one who thought his reaction was more than warranted (even though I know I'm NOT the only one who thinks that)!
And The Tudors is a show as well - based on exactly that, the Tudors. It is amazing and addictive, and though it's not historically accurate to everything that went on, it's still FANTASTIC!
Awww, poor Daniel always being the one blamed for his outburst! It's not ENTIRELY his fault he's had relationship drama in the past and is just scared to be hurt so much again! But you can SEE and HEAR how with each horrible thing he says to her that he's trying to convince himself that what he's saying is true - he gets more animated and upset and it's clear it's his way of making himself believe he really feels that way about her. It's a defense mechanism - he's used it on Jack too!
I think of it more as Daniel ranting at himself than at Vala. She was the catalyst, but his emotional baggage had been building up for so much longer. He had to crack. Yes, he's angry at her, but also at himself.
I don't know how many metas and essays I have read on this scene, but it has to be one of the most interesting and complex in the entire series. :D
So my reasoning is yes, Daniel is a bit of a dick when he wants to be, his outburst wasn't warranted - but it had to happen.
Yeah, that's basically what I think too (maybe my last comment didn't show that enough?). Vala was the catalyst for sure, and her actions in that scene are just the right (or would it be wrong?) thing for him b/c he is such an emotional wreck that it sets him off like that. And Daniel can be one insufferable asshole when he's in a mood!
But the beauty of it is he SEES that he did go too far (though it was what VALA needed to let her guard down), yet Vala is still receptive to him afterwards. It's like her way of showing him she understands (kinda like their scene in Daniel's quarters in Ties that Bind).
That shows just how much of a GREAT scene it is in terms of their relationship b/c there are SO many ways to interpret it - the way it went down was so perfect. And it's justifying to know it was ultimately Michael and Claudia's choice because honesty, I can't imagine it going down the way it was originally intended.
It did have to happen - for their relationship to grow and mature, it had to happen!
Reading again is always fun! Sometime in the near future, I'm gonna read nothing but books I've already read - of course I NEED to start with Lord of the Rings b/c it's been too long since my last read, but the SG-1 novels will be on that list too!
Thanks - glad my ramblings on all the awesomeness of the book was enjoyable. I try to give good long reviews for the novels at least, even if I don't do it for every book I read (though I think every book I have read in the past year has gotten some kind of review...)
Hmm? LOL. I love cool book reviews like yours was there. The ones that have me nodding and laughing and all. :P Maybe we'll have to start doing that too--trading book reviews! On Stargate stuff at least!
Okay...must go re-watch Supernatural now....*giggles again and runs off like a schoolgirl to watch the awesomeness*
I know all the SG-1 novels I read in the past year are under my book review tag if you want to check them out. All the ones I've read that were before the past year were the ones I read before using my LJ frequently... I think the ones that aren't reviewed her outnumber the ones that are... I might have to fix that when I reread them!
*sigh* You too?? I feel like such an oddball when I say I just couldn't get into Supernatural (and I even watched almost the entire first season, trying to get into it!)
Well hey, I must admit that the first season was not that sensational. I kept watching cause I wondered if it would stay in freak-of-the-week stage or get any better. and it did, so I'm still with it, lol. Though I can understand that it just might not be your thing. It's okay, lol. *hugs* We have Stargate! *pumps fist in the air*
I absolutely LOVED 'Roswell'. It was the first SG novel I read and it was wonderful. I've read it at least twice if not three times...matter-a-fact...I've been looking for a satisfying hit of SG team-goodness...maybe I'll go read it again...yes I can just see all the raised eyebrows and groans from my family. I found a couple of places where I questionned the author's choice of words for Daniel but it was very minor.
My absolutely favourite line was from Daniel: "Duck Dodgers?"... That entire scene with he and Jack had me literally laughing laugh out loud. I also loved the hint of DV inherent in the scene near the end when Cam is talking about Vala being taken by Qetesh again. All in all, an extremely satisfying read. Would make a fun movie. I'd love to be able to write something similar for Fandemonium.
Well, it's definitely not my FIRST - actually, it's my 9th (consider it's the 9th book in the series). I started with Survival of the Fittest, and have worked my way from there up to Relativity...but it IS a delightful read all the way through, and the way if focuses on all the team is awesomeness.
Actually, I think Daniel was very true to form in this one - this is the 10 years on, battle-hardened, ascended/descended twice Daniel, so it kind of expected that he would react and say things in the way he did. Of course that is all a matter of interpretation and how one sees the delightful archaeologist...
I think my FAVORITE DV moment of the book was when Cam told Daniel Vala had said she was saving herself for him and Daniel goes "She really said that?" It's just so typical of them, and my litle shippy heart clenched!
Yeah, I was thinking how I'd love to see this made into an SG-1 movie! It would be so badass!
Oh it wasn't how he was acting...that was fine...it was literally the author's choice of words to come out of his mouth...I know from moving his voice in my head to the computer screen that sometimes what I hear just doesn't have the right phrasing or the right choice of words for him and that's what I was experiencing. It felt like the author just didn't choose the right word for him to say....um....the example that comes quickly to mind(can't remember where it was)...but Jack is injured...and Daniel makes tells him that his "arm is busted"....my internal 'Daniel sense' said...nope, that doesn't sound right...Cam would say 'busted'...Jack would say 'busted'...Daniel would say 'broken'...at least IMO. Intially, as much as I loved the 'Duck Dodgers' comment I questionned as to whether it was IC because Daniel isn't know for being up on pop culture, but then I realized that he woulda been watching Duck Dodgers on Bugs Bunny when he was kid, so it just became my absolutely favourite line...even thinking about it now breaks me up. This story would have been way more fun than Continuum was.
See, but I took it as they are close enough as a team that he's picked up on their lingo a little... just like he's inherited Jack's brand of biting sarcasm in a way that it mixes with his own. Does that make sense?
I can't say that! I love Continuuum so much - I think they are both equally good storylines, but it's easier for an author to include so much detail and whatsuch in a novel than it is for the writer of a script/director of the movie to put it in a film b/c there's restraints on time and budget. It's why Roswell seems to have SOOO much more than Continuum - but with Continuum, it gives the audience (or more specifically fanfic writers) a chance to interpret and be creative! XD
Hmm...that does make sense to a certain extent...but even so everytime I read that line my inner 'Daniel sense' cringes... I enjoyed Continuum despite the things about it that irked me...I really enjoyed Daniel's circumstances...twisted huh?lol. So curious now...how do you spin that closing scene on the Tok'ra planet that has offended so many DV shippers?
Oh, Daniel's circumstances in Continuum are just pure awesome! Another hurdle he has to overcome, and you can SEE how hard it is for him to do it (which I think is a testament to how crucial his friends are to him, proved time and again).
And I really don't understand how that scene is offensive. I honestly thought it was VERY them - how Daniel just KNEW she would want to stay and how her "asking" him shows us that Vala feels Daniel's opinion matters. And the comment he gave to Teal'c was very true to form too b/c him and Vala AREN'T the perfect pair of people and they do get on each other's nerves and she's shown time and again how she can be downright annoying and stubborn. I loved that little ending scene b/c it spoke volumes for where their relationship came from and where it's going.
While I absolutely agree about him knowing that she would want to stay...but I'm curious as to what you think it says about their...um...developing relationship? I'm not in complete agreement with everyone else that he's being sarcastic and dismissive of her efforts...I tend to hear it more as he's making a comment that the 'host' is literally in for a tough afternoon because he's going to have come to terms with what he's done for the past 2000 years. I was actually more disappointed in his lack of compassion for the 'host'...if he can help Apophis's host die peacefully, then why wouldn't he help Ba'al's?...yeah, yeah...he's much more cynical now...but that underlying compassionate nature is still there. His lack of compassion for the 'host' was one of the things about Continuum that irked me.
See, this is always the difficult part for me - trying to express why I feel the way i feel about a certain scene! It's why I don't write metas! *snirk* But what it says about their developing relationship? Hmmmm, how to put it... there is a deep root of understanding tying them together, and despite all their disagreements and whatsuch, they will always understand each other and in turn know what the other will ultimately want. Kind of like with what Daniel has with Jack, except with Vala there is a romantic attraction. Yeah, I don't think that did my point justice, but I gave it a try!
As for his lack of compassion - that's interesting b/c I NEVER would have interpreted it that way. And it took me a few minutes to think out why I don't think that... I see Daniel knowing she would want to and letting Vala stay behind as his compassionate gesture to the host. With the case of Apophis, the host was dying - there was nothing that could be done for him. Seeing as the host was originally from Ancient Egypt, Daniel was able to help by guiding him on to the next life. He had enough knowledge to be of assistance. With Ba'al's host, Daniel probably felt he couldn't really help b/c he doesn't know what it's like to go through such hell for so long. So him letting Vala stay behind, who has experience with being a host for an extended period of time, is his way of helping b/c he wouldn't be able to offer the kind of comfort Ba'al's host would need.
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Date: 2009-03-02 12:35 am (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2009-03-02 03:31 am (UTC)I understand WHY you didn't pick Relativity - there really needs to be more novels with Vala in them! But there can't be anything wrong with some Jack!angst and Jack/Daniel friendship in my opinion! XD
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Date: 2009-03-02 03:36 am (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2009-03-02 03:41 am (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2009-03-02 12:37 am (UTC)I voted for Relativity, but that's because I'm a massive fan of dark!Jack, hee! But if he's not your cuppa try a classic. (I have never seen/heard of 'Tudors') *glares at Moby Dick sitting unread upon her own shelf*
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Date: 2009-03-02 03:37 am (UTC)And isn't Daniel the one with Jack throughout the whole story? (From what I got when I first skimmed the book) That's ALWAYS a good thing! And I'll take Jack in any form - as long a I get some fresh SG-1 stories, I'll take the characters any way (as long a their not OOC!).
When I said 'Tudors', I was referring to the Tudors, as in the Historic Family - King Henry VIII, Mary Tudor, Elizabeth I - that lot. Their history is a passion of mine, and when I found a novel called The Virgin Queen's Daughter (based on the idea that WHAT IF Elizabeth I had an heir), I couldn't pass it up. So that choice was my 'historical fiction based on some of my favorite history' option!
Yeah, that's what concerns me about getting into a Classic - different writing style and all, idk if I'm in the mood for that right now. We'll see how the poll goes!
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Date: 2009-03-02 03:46 am (UTC)I can't quite remember what Daniel's part is in Relativity - I know all of the team are involved. The Jack thing, well I don't want to give too much away, but lets just say that a part of it is about a big 'what if' that is a huge part of Jack's character, so it's not OOC or exactly in character, but totally plausible. (kinda like Daniel flipping out in Unending hehe)
Thanks for explaining the Tudors thing. I figure it was some show since I've seen a few people talking about it.
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Date: 2009-03-02 03:52 am (UTC)And The Tudors is a show as well - based on exactly that, the Tudors. It is amazing and addictive, and though it's not historically accurate to everything that went on, it's still FANTASTIC!
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Date: 2009-03-02 03:59 am (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2009-03-02 04:07 am (UTC)Awww, poor Daniel always being the one blamed for his outburst! It's not ENTIRELY his fault he's had relationship drama in the past and is just scared to be hurt so much again! But you can SEE and HEAR how with each horrible thing he says to her that he's trying to convince himself that what he's saying is true - he gets more animated and upset and it's clear it's his way of making himself believe he really feels that way about her. It's a defense mechanism - he's used it on Jack too!
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Date: 2009-03-02 04:14 am (UTC)I don't know how many metas and essays I have read on this scene, but it has to be one of the most interesting and complex in the entire series. :D
So my reasoning is yes, Daniel is a bit of a dick when he wants to be, his outburst wasn't warranted - but it had to happen.
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Date: 2009-03-02 04:31 am (UTC)But the beauty of it is he SEES that he did go too far (though it was what VALA needed to let her guard down), yet Vala is still receptive to him afterwards. It's like her way of showing him she understands (kinda like their scene in Daniel's quarters in Ties that Bind).
That shows just how much of a GREAT scene it is in terms of their relationship b/c there are SO many ways to interpret it - the way it went down was so perfect. And it's justifying to know it was ultimately Michael and Claudia's choice because honesty, I can't imagine it going down the way it was originally intended.
It did have to happen - for their relationship to grow and mature, it had to happen!
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Date: 2009-03-02 03:18 am (UTC)Thanks for the long review btw. I enjoyed reading it. :)
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Date: 2009-03-02 03:39 am (UTC)Thanks - glad my ramblings on all the awesomeness of the book was enjoyable. I try to give good long reviews for the novels at least, even if I don't do it for every book I read (though I think every book I have read in the past year has gotten some kind of review...)
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Date: 2009-03-02 03:54 am (UTC)Okay...must go re-watch Supernatural now....*giggles again and runs off like a schoolgirl to watch the awesomeness*
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Date: 2009-03-02 04:00 am (UTC)*sigh* You too?? I feel like such an oddball when I say I just couldn't get into Supernatural (and I even watched almost the entire first season, trying to get into it!)
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Date: 2009-03-04 03:03 am (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2009-03-02 03:40 am (UTC)I found a couple of places where I questionned the author's choice of words for Daniel but it was very minor.
My absolutely favourite line was from Daniel:
"Duck Dodgers?"...
That entire scene with he and Jack had me literally laughing laugh out loud.
I also loved the hint of DV inherent in the scene near the end when Cam is talking about Vala being taken by Qetesh again.
All in all, an extremely satisfying read. Would make a fun movie.
I'd love to be able to write something similar for Fandemonium.
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Date: 2009-03-02 03:48 am (UTC)Actually, I think Daniel was very true to form in this one - this is the 10 years on, battle-hardened, ascended/descended twice Daniel, so it kind of expected that he would react and say things in the way he did. Of course that is all a matter of interpretation and how one sees the delightful archaeologist...
I think my FAVORITE DV moment of the book was when Cam told Daniel Vala had said she was saving herself for him and Daniel goes "She really said that?" It's just so typical of them, and my litle shippy heart clenched!
Yeah, I was thinking how I'd love to see this made into an SG-1 movie! It would be so badass!
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Date: 2009-03-02 03:59 am (UTC)Intially, as much as I loved the 'Duck Dodgers' comment I questionned as to whether it was IC because Daniel isn't know for being up on pop culture, but then I realized that he woulda been watching Duck Dodgers on Bugs Bunny when he was kid, so it just became my absolutely favourite line...even thinking about it now breaks me up.
This story would have been way more fun than Continuum was.
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Date: 2009-03-02 04:12 am (UTC)I can't say that! I love Continuuum so much - I think they are both equally good storylines, but it's easier for an author to include so much detail and whatsuch in a novel than it is for the writer of a script/director of the movie to put it in a film b/c there's restraints on time and budget. It's why Roswell seems to have SOOO much more than Continuum - but with Continuum, it gives the audience (or more specifically fanfic writers) a chance to interpret and be creative! XD
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Date: 2009-03-02 04:21 am (UTC)I enjoyed Continuum despite the things about it that irked me...I really enjoyed Daniel's circumstances...twisted huh?lol.
So curious now...how do you spin that closing scene on the Tok'ra planet that has offended so many DV shippers?
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Date: 2009-03-02 04:36 am (UTC)And I really don't understand how that scene is offensive. I honestly thought it was VERY them - how Daniel just KNEW she would want to stay and how her "asking" him shows us that Vala feels Daniel's opinion matters. And the comment he gave to Teal'c was very true to form too b/c him and Vala AREN'T the perfect pair of people and they do get on each other's nerves and she's shown time and again how she can be downright annoying and stubborn. I loved that little ending scene b/c it spoke volumes for where their relationship came from and where it's going.
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Date: 2009-03-02 04:45 am (UTC)I'm not in complete agreement with everyone else that he's being sarcastic and dismissive of her efforts...I tend to hear it more as he's making a comment that the 'host' is literally in for a tough afternoon because he's going to have come to terms with what he's done for the past 2000 years. I was actually more disappointed in his lack of compassion for the 'host'...if he can help Apophis's host die peacefully, then why wouldn't he help Ba'al's?...yeah, yeah...he's much more cynical now...but that underlying compassionate nature is still there. His lack of compassion for the 'host' was one of the things about Continuum that irked me.
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Date: 2009-03-02 05:00 am (UTC)As for his lack of compassion - that's interesting b/c I NEVER would have interpreted it that way. And it took me a few minutes to think out why I don't think that... I see Daniel knowing she would want to and letting Vala stay behind as his compassionate gesture to the host. With the case of Apophis, the host was dying - there was nothing that could be done for him. Seeing as the host was originally from Ancient Egypt, Daniel was able to help by guiding him on to the next life. He had enough knowledge to be of assistance. With Ba'al's host, Daniel probably felt he couldn't really help b/c he doesn't know what it's like to go through such hell for so long. So him letting Vala stay behind, who has experience with being a host for an extended period of time, is his way of helping b/c he wouldn't be able to offer the kind of comfort Ba'al's host would need.